Re: [chrony-users] makestep in Chrony

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On Tue, 15 May 2018, Hei Chan wrote:

Hi Bill,

Here is the source:

As you can see, clock_gettime() is in a while loop because sometimes, it might fail...

Hm, yes. How much of a time delay do you get occassionally due to the while

Again that failure sounds like a bug.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 11:26:12 AM GMT+8, Bill Unruh <unruh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2018, Hei Chan wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.
> See my comment inline.
> On Friday, May 11, 2018, 4:26:14 PM GMT+8, Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 12:30:30AM +0000, Hei Chan wrote:
> >  Hi Bill,
> > Sorry that I wasn't clear.
> > What I tried to do is to call clock_gettime() and rdtsc(p) as soon as chrony
> synch so that I can get the best estimate when I try to derive time from (invariant)
> tsc.
> Ok, so the assumption here is that once the system clock is
> "synchronized" by chronyd there will be a linear function between the
> tsc and system time? And the goal is to have a clock that can be read
> in constant time and it doesn't have to be very accurate, but still
> track the real time?
> Yes to both :)
> I'm not sure if that's possible. The tsc is the direct source for the
> CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW clock. Its frequency doesn't change with chronyd's
> adjustments, i.e. it's sensitive to temperature changes etc. The
> constants of the linear function would have to be periodically updated
> and then you would need to deal with locking, which would increase the
> maximum latency in the reading of the clock.
> Here is the design I am thinking.
> I don't have chronyd run in backgroud, and periodically (through cronjob) to issue

That is a terrible way of usign chrony. One of the key features of both chrony
and ntpd is that it disciplines not only the offset but also the the rate of
the clock. And the rate can only be determine over a (lengthy ) time period.
Why would you run it like this?

> command chronyd -q 'pool [some NTP server/switch which is 1 switch away] iburst',
> as soon as it returns (the clock is synchronized right?), then I do something like:

No. See above.

> s = cpuid + rdtsc
> clock_getime(REALTIME_CLOCK, &t)
> e = rdtscp + cpuid

> Then, log it.
> So after 24 hours, I have a map for rdtsc<->absolute epoch time in nano.

You have a very sophisticated program whose whole purpose is to continuously
set the translation between the tsc and the UTC. And you throw it all away and
use it in the way that Unix time was disciplined 40 years ago.

> Then, I can use the map to estimate the TSC frequency every 2 t's with the assumption
> that t is correct and TSC will change between two t's.

> Then, for everything I track with rdtsc, I can estimate the absolute epoch time in
> nano.
> You might question why I don't just have chronyd running in background and call
> clock_gettime(CLOCK_REATIME, &t) for all the stamping I do with rdtsc.  The main
> is that clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) is great 99% of the time but sometimes, it just
> fails internally and loops and then take a long time to return.

No idea what this is all about. I have never seen this. If it truely does
this, that is bug, and needs to be reported.

> Any issue you see?
> P.S.  calling chronyd and creating the map file will be done by one dedicated core at
> C0 (i.e. off OS scheduler to improve accuracy)
> > Ideally, I have a C application that calls chrony's API (if there is one) similar
> "chronyd -q" to block till it finishes or gets a callback.
> > Any suggestion?
> There is no C API for chrony (yet). Instead, you could use adjtimex()
> and check the frequency and maxerror fields. The maxerror value
> increases slowly and drops only when chronyd updates the clock. When
> it drops below a threshold and the frequency didn't change
> significantly, the system clock could be considered to be
> synchronized.
> --
> Miroslav Lichvar

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