Re: [hatari-devel] Recent symbolic keyboard mapping change

[Nicolas Pomarède <npomarede@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Le 06/10/2024 à 12:43, Thomas Huth a écrit :

> > Layout: http://www.kbdlayout.info/kbdfrna
>
> Are you sure that you looked at the right, most common layout? That page
> says that default layout for French is the "legacy" layout:
>
>   http://www.kbdlayout.info/kbdfr
>
> And that's also what I get when searching for pictures of French keyboards.
> And that keyboard has both, underscore and minus keys.
>
> Brad, I think it might be best if we leave the fine tuning of the languages
> to the people who really *use* those keyboards. It's good that there is now
> a way in Hatari to distinguish the different layouts on the TOS side and a
> basic support for the most usual keys on the host side, but I think the
> gory details of each mapping should be best done by the persons who use the
> corresponding host keyboard layouts.

Hi

I didn't follow the whole discussion, but regarding the "standard" 
french mapping (on a standalone keyboard, laptops sometimes use 
different layout due to a more limited number of physical keys), I 
confirm what Thomas wrote :

the correct french layout is http://www.kbdlayout.info/kbdfr, not the 
"na" version at http://www.kbdlayout.info/kbdfrna.

that is :
 - key 1 has "&" by default and "1" if you press shift at the same time
 - "!" is located bottom right, next to the right shift key
 - "_" is available by default on key 8. pressing shift at the same 
time gives a "8"

This might explain the issue thomas noted with "!" :

thomas wrote :
> Agreed, but that also does not help with "!" I think. If a user tries to
> press the ST's "2" key on a non-French TOS, they certainly don't expect
> to hit the "!" on their host keyboard to get this key.
>
> Or maybe I am wrong? Nicolas, Laurent, I assume that you are using French
> keyboards, maybe you could chime in?

on french keyboard, there's no relation between the "2" key and the "!"

Nicolas