Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users] Question regarding Hatari and MANDALA.PRG

[Eero Tamminen <oak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

On 1/27/20 8:24 PM, Michel Tavir wrote:
> Your requirements are much more extensive and complex than mine, Robert, but
> we're pretty much in the same unfixed fix, I see. Curious that it should be
> no different so many Mac OS's apart.
>
> Seeing that one can add attachments on this list, I'll send any screen shot
> that may be requested.
>
> But in the meanwhile — Eero, considering that you got it running with your
> setup, could you please tell me what your settings are under F12, CPU
> options?

Hatari defaults for ST.


> And which TOS.img you are using?

EmuTOS v0.9.12 release.


Hatari is naturally built from latest Git commit.


Normally I'm using raw MIDI device connection,
not PortMidi.  This is for several reasons:
* I test also other stuff with MIDI interface
  (networking & debug output) than MIDI events[1]
* If the configured PortMidi device isn't present,
  PortMidi causes thread deadlock with libSDL
  audio thread when Hatari exits (on Linux)
* raw MIDI device can be toggled on & off at
  any time

[1] PortMidi deals only with MIDI events, not raw bytes.


But I tested now also Hatari build with PortMidi
support:
* Start Qsynth [2]
* Start Hatari with MIDI enabled
* Select "synth input port" from
  the SDL GUI MIDI output selection
* Save Hatari configuration
* Restart Hatari with Mandala
* Start Mandala playing

=> Mandala uploads the instrument selection to
   Qsynth through MIDI and MIDI playback sounds
   fine with PortMidi too.


	- Eero

[2] Version 0.5 from my Linux distro.  Qsynth
seems to be available also for Mac from here:
https://qsynth.sourceforge.io/qsynth-downloads.html

> From: Robert Aries
> Reply-To: <hatari-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 12:21:14 -0500
> To: <hatari-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users] Question
> regarding Hatari and MANDALA.PRG
>
> I’m following this thread with some interest as I’ve always had a wish to
> run my old Atari midi sequencer software (Dr T KCS/Level II) on my Mac. It’s
> just not happening. Hatari sees the hardware midi interface I have connected
> to my Mac’s USB port (MOTU Fastlane) but no midi reaches the sequencer, and
> midi notes manually entered do not output from the interface.
>
> I tried about a year ago with details in this thread:
> http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=35184
>
> At that time I was using the Mac’s built-in IAC (inter-applications midi
> bus) for input & output, with the same results. I got my hopes up this time
> because my MOTU interface was seen by Hatari, but no joy.
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Michel Tavir <tingo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users] Question regarding
> > Hatari and MANDALA.PRG
> >
> > Hello again Eero,
> >
> > Here is as far as I have managed.
> >
> > I found in the Utilities installed by the Mac OS (9 years ago!) an application
> > called Audio MIDI Setup. It opened several windows:
> >
> > 1. Audio Devices - Built-in Output, set to Headphones as "Source" (?)
> > 2. Midi Studio, where I select "IAC Driver" from a default configuration
> > 3. IAC Driver Properties - "Device is online", Ports: Bus 1, Connectors for:
> > Bus 1 = Midi In=1 / Midi Out=1
> >
> > In Hatari 2.2.1: F12, Devices, Enable MIDI emulation, both input and output
> > set to "IAC Driver Bus 1"
> >
> > Sounds like it should work, doesn't it? But it doesn't.
> >
> > Note that:
> >
> > - my Mac is fully sound-capable (also from Linux or Windows virtual machines,
> > for example)
> >
> > - I tried using the Emu TOS etos512k.img instead of the built-in tos.img. No
> > difference.
> >
> > - could it be that more stuff is needed on the C drive, besides the MANDALA
> > folder (as I remember there used to be on a TT: accessories etc.)?
> >
> > - F12, Sound: I am perfectly able to record to a wav file, but at playback it
> > is completely "devoid" of any sound.
> >
> > - there are a few glitches in my installation (mouse, saving desktop etc.),
> > but the only one I believe might be relevant is this warning when I launch
> > Hatari: "Can_not use the hard disk image file '/Applications/Hatari/' since
> > its size is not a multiple of 512". Which I don't understand any more than
> > most settings under F12.
> >
> > It seems that it all should be so easy. Apologies if it is and it's just me
> > being unable to figure it out.
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> > Michel Tavir wrote on 27/01/20 00:01:
> >
> >            
> >            Thank you, Eero, that clears up things. I will try to figure out
> > what there is of MIDI
> >            software for Macs of that generation (OS 10.6 Snow Leopard). In the
> > meanwhile if anyone
> >            else on this list knows about such software, I'll be happy to hear
> > about it.
> >            
> >            Michel
> >
> >            
> >
> >            
> >            From: Eero Tamminen
> >            Reply-To: <hatari-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <x-msg://1/hatari-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> >            Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 00:17:24 +0200
> >            To: <hatari-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <x-msg://1/hatari-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> >            Subject: Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users] Re: [hatari-users]
> > Question regarding
> >            Hatari and MANDALA.PRG
> >            
> >            Hi,
> >            
> >            On 1/24/20 1:17 PM, Michel Tavir wrote:
> >            
> > > >            >> I have managed to install Hatari on my MacBook Pro with Mac OS
> 10.6.8 Snow
> > > >            >> Leopard, and for now I can live with the few bugs I came
> > > > across. I did get
> > > >            >> MANDALA running ‹ the graphics part at least, because for some
> reason I
> > > >            >> cannot get any sound at all. Yet pressing keys does result in a
> click sound,
> > > >            >> so it's not like this installation of Hatari isn't
> > > > sound-capable (as was the
> > > >            >> case, as far as I could understand, with MagicMacX, which I
> > > > tried some years
> > > >            >> ago).
> >            
> >            Mandala sound output is through MIDI and it seems
> >            to work fine.
> >            
> >            You need a MIDI device and configure Hatari to
> >            use it.
> >            
> >            I don't have Mac, but like Linux, it might have
> >            some software MIDI synthetizers which you can use
> >            if you don't have real MIDI HW.
> >            
> >            Note: Hatari PortMidi code enumerates MIDI devices
> >            at startup, so your MIDI device needs to powered &
> >            connected when Hatari starts, otherwise your
> >            device doesn't show up in Hatari's devices dialog.
> >            
> >            
> >             - Eero
> >            
> >            PS. Hatari has supported MIDI on Linux since
> >            v0.45, but we got MacOS & Windows MIDI support
> >            (with PortMidi) only for Hatari v2.1 release.
> >            
> >            (Hatari devs don't Have Mac or Linux, so support
> >            for those platforms is through 3rd party code
> >            contributions, this includes the MacOS Hatari
> >            GUI.)
> >            
> >            
> >